BF4 crashing solved

[Dan_]

You have now entered the geek zone. Personally, I have the Kryonaut Liquid Metal tim on my cpu and gpu heat spreaders and hands down it's the best of several tim's that I've tried. Even the 1g tube has done many applications and still have a lot left. You only need to spread a tiny drop of this stuff so be careful. Also, I delided my cpu and used Kryonaut it to replace the factory tim underneath the heat spreader.
If you choose to use this stuff be sure the contact surface of the heatsink isn't aluminum.
This is what I used.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B078J4PSHM/

Yes, prepare yourself for some really geeky paragraphs. This took me about an hour to write so please read it all.

I wouldn't recommend a conductive thermal paste so someone not experienced with PC building and such, but I admit there is a LOT to be gained if you do use it. I still recommend Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut.

It has only one fan blowing in. Can I add another one for the opposite side that pulls the air out?

Yes you can. The product page advertises that it supports a dual fan configuration. I found on this thread that the Hyper 212 should come with and extra set of clips in the box to attach to a 120mm fan to connect it to the heatsink. If you lost the box, or didn't buy it in the box, you can try cable ties. Ideally you'd want a fan that matches the airflow of the other one, but I can't find the specifications for that heatsink, so I'd say you'd be fine with any regular 120mm case fan. Just try to have the more powerful fan sucking air from the heatsink and the weaker blowing air into the heatsink.

Otherwise you can buy a nicer Noctua heatsink (for about $100). I run a Noctua NH-D15, but that's only because it's a limited Linus Tech Tips edition. What I would recommend getting is the NH-U12A. It has a much newer fan design that is quieter, more efficient, and it is lower profile. Noctua is, in my opinion, the best brand for air coolers you can get, they even out perform many liquid coolers.

I wouldn't fuss too much over how you spread the thermal paste, it doesn't actually make much of a difference (excluding conductive thermal paste). Ideally you'd want it to spread over the entire metal surface of the CPU while being as thin as possible and free from air pockets. The rice grain method works just fine for this; put a rice sized blob in the center of the metal surface of the CPU. Your heatsink screws have springs on them so you don't have to worry too much about torquing them too much either, enough to keep it solid without completely depressing the springs.


A couple more things things:
Those ATX Power Connector cables shouldn't be that close the the heatsink.
It looks like your case passes air front to back, so you want your heatsink fan to match that, to work with the case fans to pass air through the heatsink. You should be able to rotate your cooler 45° like this:

If you have any questions, I will do my best to answer them.

 

[OldGunney]

Dan, you are right about the air flow being front to back. I believe this case is 15 years old. I've changed out Mobos three times since I had it.

Agree that the CPU heatsink should be rotated 90 degrees. My only concern is the tight clearance getting to the screw hold downs when it is in that configuration. Will see when the new compound comes in.

The power supply above it has terrible fan in it so I added another fan to the output port outside the case to pull air out.

 

[Dan_]

Dan, you are right about the air flow being front to back. I believe this case is 15 years old. I've changed out Mobos three times since I had it.

Agree that the CPU heatsink should be rotated 90 degrees. My only concern is the tight clearance getting to the screw hold downs when it is in that configuration. Will see when the new compound comes in.

The power supply above it has terrible fan in it so I added another fan to the output port outside the case to pull air out.

Sorry, yeah, I meant 90 degrees. What is your PSU rated for? If it's old and has a failing fan, you should replace it. A bad PSU can fry your whole system.

 

[OldGunney]

The power supply is a Corsair CX600. Rather recent purchase. The fan does rotate, but does not push much cooling air.

 

[Dan_]

The power supply is a Corsair CX600. Rather recent purchase. The fan does rotate, but does not push much cooling air.

Ok good, it's recent and it's rated 80 Plus Bronze. You generally don't have to worry about the PSU fan, I have an 800W 80 Plus Gold PSU and the fan intentionally doesn't spin if it doess't have to. So your PSU is fine. Does it pull air from inside the case or from outside the case? My case is set up so that there is a vent for the PSU to pull air from outside of the case. This allows it to run cooler and increase its lifespan. Some cases, however, don't have a vent for the PSU and it has to pull air from the inside.

 

[OldGunney]

This power supply has the fan pulling from inside venting out. Like I said, i had to install that outside fan to putt the heat out of the PS and from inside the case. The bottom vent port has a fan in the case pushing air out. Both give good air flow. Previous photo on the heat sink shows that fan on left side.

Photo seems to be in landscape mode.

 

[Dan_]

This power supply has the fan pulling from inside venting out. Like I said, i had to install that outside fan to putt the heat out of the PS and from inside the case. The bottom vent port has a fan in the case pushing air out. Both give good air flow. Previous photo on the heat sink shows that fan on left side.

Photo seems to be in landscape mode.

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What I mean is, if you rotate your PSU upside down, can it's fan pull air from a vent in the top of the case? I'm guessing that it can't.

 

[OldGunney]

I suppose it could, but we need it pulling air out of the rear of the case.

 

[Dan_]

I suppose it could, but we need it pulling air out of the rear of the case.

Actually it's better for it to pull air from outside the case and blow it outside of the case too. This is because the air inside of the case is hotter so it doesn't do as good of a job cooling it. Also, it's better to have more intake fans than exhaust so that you have positive air pressure inside of the case, this helps preven't dust build up.

 

[OldGunney]

Dan,

Installed the 8 core CPU with the thermal compound you recommended. Turned fan around so blowing toward back. Still getting slow down of CPU when in game after awhile. CPU must be getting hot.

Noticed the fan running at same speed while cool or hot. It's a four pin connector plugged into the correct CPU FAN port. Wonder if the fan sensor is bad or MoBo has an issue.

MoBo is an ASUS M5A78L-M LX

 

[whitefish21]

CPUID HWMonitor is good way to monitor your temps and fan speed. I would recommend downloading it and having it run from a fresh boot up.

Check your temp at cold and varying stages of gaming. Look at the fan speed vs CPU temps.

 

[OldGunney]

Well, still have severe FPS drops in game. Might be TMPIN0 at 51C? Anyone see anything off?

 

[whitefish21]

How long did you play for?

All your CPU and GPU temps are very very low. I know that AMD chip ran cooler on average but its still very low. And same with your CPU.

Id say its not a temp and bottleneck issue. Could be GPU drivers. I have had micro stuttering with bad drivers where it would almost freeze for a second every 15 seconds. I had to roll back my drivers to fix it.

 

[OldGunney]

I've been watching it and seems about every 40 secs it starts acting up.

 

[8bAd8]

if the heat is a problem for you . i just want to know how much paste did you put /

Amd or Intel and the kind cpu is all different , if too much then it is than thin and spread full cover with old card .

i am sure that will help if yuou tried everything else that failed'

 

[KarekCat]

A CPU/GPU can run pretty easily at 70C. You only really start seeing issues when it starts to push 90C+. 100C is bad, and it can start damaging parts.

 

[KarekCat]

Theory: Watch System Utilization (you can do it via Task Manager). When it hangs, is the GPU, or CPU spiking or dropping in activity?

Nvidia's not usually too bad with its drivers, but a fresh install of it might help, as WF suggested.

 

[OldGunney]

I'm doing some research on this GTX 1070 card and see a lot of folks back in 2017 was having a lot of FPS drops in games. I did receive this card from a friend since retired from gaming. Maybe he had problems with it too and passed it onto me.

Will do a uninstall of the GeForce stuff and then a manual download of the driver.

 

[8bAd8]

or fill in the big ice cude that fit in case

 

[8bAd8]

I'm doing some research on this GTX 1070 card and see a lot of folks back in 2017 was having a lot of FPS drops in games. I did receive this card from a friend since retired from gaming. Maybe he had problems with it too and passed it onto me.

Will do a uninstall of the GeForce stuff and then a manual download of the driver.

i don't . i have 1070 ti here and 144 hz , and i locked at 141 and never drop at all.

also i had 1070 and sold to my brother so not a problem for my bro too .

something on your pc.