Prejudice against jets

nookleeus

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So after getting banned this morning after tossing a few jdams from the enemy's jet, I'm not digging it with you guys hating on jets the way you do. Call it "jet domination" or whatever you want but there are a few players the server that are absolute killing machines in tanks, in the aa, in attack choppers, hell, even Glitch is wicked with his LAV tows, and nobody complains. I barely pull off a 2:1 Kd ratio in a jet so I'm not sure how that qualifies as domination, against maybe a 39:1 in a tank I witnessed this morning.

It's been great playing with all of you, but I'm no longer going to tolerate it. (though someone else ultimately made that decision for me). I tried deleting my account on here but can't seem to find a way.

Take care all, see you from the sky.
 
It really doesn't make any sense if you got banned for using a Jet.
Am I next for using a Viper or AA ?
I don't understand what is going on but I really like playing with you and I hope I don't see you go.
Art
 
Same here Nook I think it's BS that Jet guys get shitted on because theyre good with JDAMs...they are in the game for a reason lol
 
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Dear Nook,
The messages below scroll through the game all the time. You have seen it and I have told you on many occasions. Jet domination in low population has been an issue for us from the beginning. The reason we have this is very accomplished jet fighters would enter our server back in spring and literally shut the server down. People would get so mad from getting shelled form above they would all leave. The reason they would rage quit mostly is because the game can be unbalanced without a full set team (AA and other vehicles). The early days were NOT fun. Lots of frustration because members were killing each other due to the lack of guests (redkilla and Reddawn are so burnt out from this they dont play much anymore). Starting this server was super sucky! See, it doesn't work unless we have lots of people on the server. So one of the few things we ask members is please don't bomb people when the server is starting up.

This morning the server started at 8:30. First time ever so early, after spending way countless hours since May. Argon complains in chat he is getting bombed by you (9:30ish) and the rule is not held up for him. I said "no he is not", (sticking up for you) and apparently then he says "see you in 6 weeks". Argon defriends me and quits platoon. I left the game to review. In about 15 minutes I came back. Sitting at A/B you jdam me about 5 times in less than 5 minutes. Finally wondering who it was, I let you kill me. When I saw it was you, banned 6 hours. Why? It was 6vs6 and the teams were shrinking due to quits.

I'm not mad, I still like you a ton, I'm trying to protect the server so we continue to have guest play.
You need to understand after all the work that's been done, I would ban my own mom.

FYI my Mom is old and does not like BF4.


"Welcome To The Rebel Collective: Relax and have fun!
AA tanks should not sit in their base, don't be "that" guy!
This server uses PB Bans and Fairfight to kick cheaters, hacks and losers
Jet domination in low population (20>) will result in kick for game balance purposes
Review you server stats by typing "!stats"
AA tanks should not sit in their base, don't be "that" guy!
Come visit us at www.aarpclan.com to see naked pictures of Red_killa
Remember to add The Rebel Collective to your server favorites for all your killing needs
Jet domination in low population (20>) will result in kick for games balance purposes
AA tanks should not sit in their base, don't be "that" guy!
Come visit us at www.aarpclan.com to register NOW says Red_killa
Don't be a big puss puss by jet ramming or attacking enemy bases
Top10 stat players get unlimited jello deserts, Type"!top10"
This server listens to feedback, good and bad..."
 
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You cannot delete your account on here. I am the only one that can do that. Nook, I love playing with you, but you are a leader. Wiping out players with jet domination on a low populated server doesn't help our growth. You should be helping to populate the server, not kill it. I will leave your status on here as a clan member and a leader for a few days hoping you change your mind.
 
so I am a college football junkie and Saturdays are lost for me.... 15 hours in front of the TV if I can!

that said, I have almost zero context on what happened but it appears that two player who genuinely like each other had a fall out over jets.

it is true that we want to let Jet Jockeys loose and do their thing....

it is also true that Jet raging in low populations drives players from our server like crazy and it needs to be manaaged..... which is why we posted the rule about limiting jet kills with less than 20 players.

Since we are playing this out in public, I will say that IMHO, our players should respect that rule and not jet rage until we have 20. likewise, I think it is wrong to ban a platoon member for any reason without extraordinary circumstances... (I would switch team and discuss...)

but that is all water under the bridge and there is nothing we can do to change it. So now we have to figure out how to move forward... Lets give everyone a day or 2 to stew and move on... then lets get everyone back and have a bacon party at C (RedKilla is cooking)

at the end of the day, its the friendships we have that matter and make this group fun.
 
Well so it is. You guys completely dismiss tank rage, aa rage, and attack chopper rage and remain prejudice against jets. (which aren't that hard to take out unless there's a team of them in the sky). I'll take my frags elsewhere.

Since nobody else seems to complain about the tank situation, consider this a formal complaint about the tank situation. 39:1 in a tank on THE SAME ROUND I'm accused of "jet rage" on is absurd. (Ps, my score was 10:4 before I was asked to leave via ban -- check the logs, I'm guessing 3-4 of those kills were from the jet the enemy ditched)

I tolerated the c4 ban when this was Bubba's server, but I'm done shorting myself enjoyment of the game. I will avoid the server when it's under low population.

As much steam as there is blowing out my ears, I do seriously admire the effort you guys have put into the server this far. I may come around, but I simply can't handle your hate on jets when there are tanks getting 39:1+ KD ratios. But it's your server, your rules -- I have no choice but to respect the house rules or I'll be on my way.

Maybe moving forward consider a map without attack jets (Silk Road) if you don't want jets "ruining" things.

Good night gentlemen.
 
To your point Nook, I agree. Honestly, I hate enforcing it. But the difference is we see people rage quit because jets to the point of shutting the server down (not tanks, C4 or LAV). How do we manage that? I'm only asking to refrain until we get toward 20 people. This is the second time a good friend has raised this issue in the platoon. I really don't know how to handle it any other way. If the server was strong like Violent Industries, then I would say "rip it up whenever"! Violent Industries runs full blast 24/7 and people join in after shutting down so fast it does not matter. I think we are close to retracting the jet rule.

I see you get frustrated with tanks, let me help. Happy to tell you nearly everything I now about getting the competitive advance when tanking.
 
understand your point on the tanks.

Personally, in low populations, I fly choppers and will sometimes jump in a tank. Often, I will challenge players to sniper rifles at A/B until players come in... (Magic and I have done this many, many times).

But I think the point that is getting lost here is WHY we have issues with jets in low populations.... jets are to powerful and drive players from the server. we can be on our way to getting the server started and it only takes 2 or 3 kills in a few minutes and people start leaving. and many times, the server never recovers.

At Golmud, it takes forever for a tank to drive from base to A/B and once there, you get killed in seconds on a single pass and there is nothing you can do to defend yourself. That sucks.

in my opinion, getting an AA has nothing to do with the issue, but rather it is having enough players so that the same people are not getting killed back to back to back. That is what happened to Wish, yes you only had 4 kills, but 3 of them were Wish in succession because there was no one else to kill.

also, I get the tank point and yes, we have a lot of players that would not know which way was up if they were not in a tank.... But tanks don't drive people from the server. I think that is because whether your in an opposing tank or on foot, at least you have a chance to win. but against jets, there is nothing you can do..
 

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