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I think there is way too much rage on the server and it's from clan members, regulars, and random players alike. Notice I said we, as in myself included, as I have found myself raging in BF4 more than any other game I've probably EVER played (and I play a lot of them). I am not referring to things like the enforcement of rules (ex: AA out of place, tanks far back), friendly competitive banter between gaming buddies, or chewing out griefers/TKers/cheaters (they deserve to be yelled at). I'm referring to when players do things that we don't like, such as ignoring D at the start of the map or sniping and not capping points just to give a few examples. There's some obvious and not-so-obvious things that I feel should be said:

1. This is basically a 7 year old, niche PC game. It's not that serious. This isn't an e-sports tournament or championship. It's not the end of the world if you lose. You're not actually losing anything unless you care that deeply about your win/loss record, in which you really shouldn't. Take pride in your stats all you like, but not to the detriment of others.

2. Take some personal responsibility for yourself. If your reflexes/reaction time is bad (i.e. getting outgunned), if your situational awareness is lacking (i.e. flying into an AA's sights, running around in front of enemy tanks, etc.), or you have any other shortcomings that cause you to die and/or lose, don't be so quick to blame it on others. Maybe it's something YOU'RE doing and that YOU can change to make encounters more favorable.

3. Ultimately, everyone's playing to have fun. Whether it's fun by getting kills, by getting the best spots on the scoreboard, and/or by simply winning, it's not fun when you have a half the server being toxic and raging. If you can't play BF4 without being miserable all the time, then perhaps competitive gaming isn't something you should partake in.

4. Treating someone like shit and barking orders will not convince anyone to do anything. It's actually very counter-productive. Being toxic like "this team fucking sucks", "take out the (insert enemy) you stupid assholes", "great, our retarded fucking teammates went to F again", etc. serves absolutely no purpose. At best, you'll just find yourself mindlessly arguing and then they definitely won't care to do anything you're asking them to.

5. NO ONE OWES YOU ANYTHING. We get it. You think you're the model BF4 player with the best tactics and the solution to winning. You might even possess some really good knowledge, but at the end of the day, you can't MAKE someone do what you want, nor should you act entitled about it. No one is playing to cater to your every demand (insert rule enforcement exception here).


It helps a lot to just come to terms with the fact that people will play how they want and most of it is out of your control. It's up to you to make your experience enjoyable as best you can, but all the toxicity and bullshit has to stop.
 
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It's not the end of the world if you lose. Take pride in your stats all you like, but not to the detriment of others.
(typed in a non confrontational manner)

What if the other's are being a detriment to my stat's??
And your right it's not the end of the world if you lose but the actual idea is to win.. is it not? Sometime's it seems like your team is high as fuck,drunk,been kicked in the head by a mule.... or all of the above
They don't give out trophy's to everyone in the game for participating, at the end of the game you know what's it say's "Your Team Lost" that makes you a loser and who the fuck would want to be a loser LoL
I'm older from a different time like alot of these dinosaur's and it is not i repeat NOT the same to lose as it is to win no matter what they are teaching kid's nowaday's
 
I hear ya Buddha. But... I like winning. I hate losing. I would either like to play with people I know and shoot the shit in teamspeak or play in a tactically well played game. Both is best. Its not a pro server, but the level of play on Golmud has gone down lately -- folks are heading to other servers. If I can nudge the two noob tanks off the hill and to take a flag, I will try some motivational chatting -- sometimes it works.

Trash talking does not bother me. It is not personal. Some players are motivated by it and others are not. Not sure what toxic means in the context of speech, but it used to mean a substance that could make people sick or kill them.

Your post is well thought out and I appreciate the thoughts.
 
Difference of opinion here Buddha. Winning is every thing and loosing just fucking sucks and if I fall below the top 10 spots on my team I flog myself for not doing all I could. My win/lose record is very important to me because it shows team unity. So if you see me giving the AA shit or a camping tank it is for the good of the team. As you can see by my game play my K/D doesn't mean shit as I know there is a good chance of being destroyed trying to cap a flag with a tank. But capping flags is the theme of conquest and anyone that argues differently can kiss my ass. Go play DM or TDM where the object is just body count and leave conquest to those of us that under stand the mission.................STRYKER.
 
Difference of opinion here Buddha. Winning is every thing and loosing just fucking sucks and if I fall below the top 10 spots on my team I flog myself for not doing all I could. My win/lose record is very important to me because it shows team unity. So if you see me giving the AA shit or a camping tank it is for the good of the team. As you can see by my game play my K/D doesn't mean shit as I know there is a good chance of being destroyed trying to cap a flag with a tank. But capping flags is the theme of conquest and anyone that argues differently can kiss my ass. Go play DM or TDM where the object is just body count and leave conquest to those of us that under stand the mission.................STRYKER.

Piss off you old fuck !!! ;)
 
I think there is way too much rage on the server and it's from clan members, regulars, and random players alike. Notice I said we, as in myself included, as I have found myself raging in BF4 more than any other game I've probably EVER played (and I play a lot of them). I am not referring to things like the enforcement of rules (ex: AA out of place, tanks far back), friendly competitive banter between gaming buddies, or chewing out griefers/TKers/cheaters (they deserve to be yelled at). I'm referring to when players do things that we don't like, such as ignoring D at the start of the map or sniping and not capping points just to give a few examples. There's some obvious and not-so-obvious things that I feel should be said:

1. This is basically a 7 year old, niche PC game. It's not that serious. This isn't an e-sports tournament or championship. It's not the end of the world if you lose. You're not actually losing anything unless you care that deeply about your win/loss record, in which you really shouldn't. Take pride in your stats all you like, but not to the detriment of others.

2. Take some personal responsibility for yourself. If your reflexes/reaction time is bad (i.e. getting outgunned), if your situational awareness is lacking (i.e. flying into an AA's sights, running around in front of enemy tanks, etc.), or you have any other shortcomings that cause you to die and/or lose, don't be so quick to blame it on others. Maybe it's something YOU'RE doing and that YOU can change to make encounters more favorable.

3. Ultimately, everyone's playing to have fun. Whether it's fun by getting kills, by getting the best spots on the scoreboard, and/or by simply winning, it's not fun when you have a half the server being toxic and raging. If you can't play BF4 without being miserable all the time, then perhaps competitive gaming isn't something you should partake in.

4. Treating someone like shit and barking orders will not convince anyone to do anything. It's actually very counter-productive. Being toxic like "this team fucking sucks", "take out the (insert enemy) you stupid assholes", "great, our retarded fucking teammates went to F again", etc. serves absolutely no purpose. At best, you'll just find yourself mindlessly arguing and then they definitely won't care to do anything you're asking them to.

5. NO ONE OWES YOU ANYTHING. We get it. You think you're the model BF4 player with the best tactics and the solution to winning. You might even possess some really good knowledge, but at the end of the day, you can't MAKE someone do what you want, nor should you act entitled about it. No one is playing to cater to your every demand (insert rule enforcement exception here).


It helps a lot to just come to terms with the fact that people will play how they want and most of it is out of your control. It's up to you to make your experience enjoyable as best you can, but all the toxicity and bullshit has to stop.


I have given up to be honest. Nobody works as a squad anymore. So most times these days I play solo and just jam music. What's even more frustrating is that AARP members will join my squad, most knowing my strategy, but refuse to work together and end up doing their own thing. I mean nothing personal, and I like most everyone in the clan, but that crap ends today. From now on, if I am fighting my ass off to maintain a flags a,b and c, and you are off fucking around in F, you will be removed from the squad with no warning, end of story. Dont like it, go cry to your mother, I could give two shits.... ;)
 
Thanks for the replies guys. I get the common theme of not wanting to lose, and again (this goes to STRYKER), I'm not talking about yelling at people who are breaking rules. I get it, we all want to do well and win. It feels good, sure. However, whether win or lose, it's all inconsequential. Do you remember and retain your feelings from every single win and loss? How about all of them from two days ago? A week ago? How about a month? Losing may suck in the moment, but guess what? You're going to play several more games that'll replace that game and it'll just be a distant memory. Either way, if you spend the entire game raging at people, then you're having zero fun and it defeats the purpose of even playing.

I've adapted to just playing out whatever role I can in order to make the game enjoyable for me, win or lose. If tanks are beating the hell out of us, I'll start lazing them. If there's a really aggressive squad besting us on ABC, then I'll start MAVing them for others (and totally to detonate their explosives on them). The tactics and expectations of long-time players/clan members are ingrained in me, so I typically still try to do things to the benefit of others, but with the goal of still enjoying myself as well.

TheABCCamper - I'm glad you said that because it was a long-time, well-established AARP member that kind of gave me some clarity on the matter. One day, a game started and I noticed they didn't rush D. I semi-jokingly scolded them like, "Dude, you know better! What are you DOING?!" They very politely and calmly told me that they basically play how they want, and they're here to enjoy themselves and not stress about doing what everyone else wants them to. I thought to myself, "Damn...this dude KNOWS the strategies and expectations of everyone here through and through and he's still playing to the beat of his own drum." You know what's funny about that though? No one yells at him for what he does in-game. A lot of the time, he'll spend a whole round just running people over in jeeps. No one's calling him an asshole/retard/piece of shit in chat/over comms. No one's stroking out about him not attacking A/B/C. I wonder why that is?
 
Im glad you brought this up. I've personally noticed I've been awfully bitchy and I really am sorry if that bothered you. I get really frustrated when I KNOW the team can be playing better but people have their head up their butt or something. But you're right, its not an excuse to be toxic or rage. I personally am going to work on taking it more lightheartedly, doing my best in-game, and leaving it at that. I guess its important to remember that some people dont play to win, they play to have fun (whatever shape or form their fun is, going to F, sitting on a hill sniping all game, running people over in jeeps) and you can't control or change that, so you just have to make the best it.
I just might be doing more knitting in spawn to help control the rage from now on.
 
Thanks for the replies guys. I get the common theme of not wanting to lose, and again (this goes to STRYKER), I'm not talking about yelling at people who are breaking rules. I get it, we all want to do well and win. It feels good, sure. However, whether win or lose, it's all inconsequential. Do you remember and retain your feelings from every single win and loss? How about all of them from two days ago? A week ago? How about a month? Losing may suck in the moment, but guess what? You're going to play several more games that'll replace that game and it'll just be a distant memory. Either way, if you spend the entire game raging at people, then you're having zero fun and it defeats the purpose of even playing.

I've adapted to just playing out whatever role I can in order to make the game enjoyable for me, win or lose. If tanks are beating the hell out of us, I'll start lazing them. If there's a really aggressive squad besting us on ABC, then I'll start MAVing them for others (and totally to detonate their explosives on them). The tactics and expectations of long-time players/clan members are ingrained in me, so I typically still try to do things to the benefit of others, but with the goal of still enjoying myself as well.

TheABCCamper - I'm glad you said that because it was a long-time, well-established AARP member that kind of gave me some clarity on the matter. One day, a game started and I noticed they didn't rush D. I semi-jokingly scolded them like, "Dude, you know better! What are you DOING?!" They very politely and calmly told me that they basically play how they want, and they're here to enjoy themselves and not stress about doing what everyone else wants them to. I thought to myself, "Damn...this dude KNOWS the strategies and expectations of everyone here through and through and he's still playing to the beat of his own drum." You know what's funny about that though? No one yells at him for what he does in-game. A lot of the time, he'll spend a whole round just running people over in jeeps. No one's calling him an asshole/retard/piece of shit in chat/over comms. No one's stroking out about him not attacking A/B/C. I wonder why that is?

Kinda not sure about some of what you were talking about, if it was a criticism of my strategy or an accusation that I am an abusive squad leader, so I will just assume you meant well, and that I am misunderstanding you. So, with the goal of clarifying my overall strategy, I will lay it out for ya. My gaming hobby in general started with Chess club in school, I was highly ranked and played competitively from age 10 to 17. After that I just played in tourneys online and still do to this day from time to time. After Chess, I moved to RTS's such as Star Craft, Warcraft 3, Dawn of War 1 & 2, The first Company of Heros and the expansions etc. When I got boored of that I moved on to BF4 in 2014. I loved it right away, joined a clan and started playing alot. It was AWESOME, we worked as a squad, took turns leading etc, after about 6 months we decided to refine our tactics and ,"specialize" in A,B and C flag DOMINATION !!!
We had specific roles and played with discipline, I was always Support, and we had 3 engineers and one combat medic. We OWNED so much to the point that players would just give up and move on to other flags. The strategy was rock solid and we ruled A,B and C with an iron grip :) Golmud was designed so that the train would be the most valuable asset in the game, and for that most part, I agree 100% that a team needs to secure it asapp, but not at the cost of every single other flag on the map. Over time, we realized that you need at least ONE squad to cap A,B and C while the rest of the squads secure the train. After a month or so of playing that way, we realized that we were right 100%. We would have 3 flags earning points when everybody else in the game was going for D. It's 2nd grade math in my humble opinion... Well, that was then , and this is now. Peeps just dont seem to want to work as a team anymore, some folks are mostly interested in just kills and they're over all score, not actually winning the game.


This is what I wrote in 2016
( I'm just an older gamer,( 48 ) that enjoys securing A, B, and C and maintaining a hold on them as a squad. I have noticed that a lot of players think that every single player in the game needs to commit to D at first. I don't agree. For me, the best plan is to have one or two squads commit to A, B, and C, then everybody else goes to D and put up a fight, but not a REALLY hard fight. The key here is to let them believe they are winning the fight for D, then drop D altogether and cap F. They will take D back to their base and then protect it like its the Queen Bee. And if you take a look at the map after that, you will realize that they are trapped on their side of the map. As a single-player, I think of other players that are not in my squad as bots in an RTS game. All with varying degrees of skill and a will to win. I like to win games, so I do what I think increases a squad's chance to contribute the most points in the game. And for me, that's holding an IRON GRIP on A, B, and C !!! :)

All that being said, in closing, I realize I have unrealistic expectations this late in the games life cycle. These days I think most peeps are just burned out on intense squad based play and just want to do their own thing, I get it . I really do lol. I am just a disabled 50 year old nerd with nothing to do but keep my house clean, take care of my 70 acres, dogs, and play video games. I fully admit that I lash out sometimes, and I am working on it. I just need to remind myself that some peeps just want to drop in a game to have a little fun and often dont care if they win or lose anymore lol. On a side note I am not sure where you got the thing that all I do is run around in jeeps." he'll spend a whole round just running people over in jeeps." If that was directed me, then I challenge you to ask 3 other players of AARP to validate, because thats strait up bullshit lol. If it wasnt directed at me, then no worries and lets carry on !!!
 
Well said ADIOS.

I want my damn participation trophy!!

The high amount of noob players who don't have a clue and/ dont give a fuck is frustrating. Players who are being excessively disruptive, trolling and disrespectful need to be kicked.

COVID-19 is driving a lot of unwanted traffic on the game but this will pass.
 
gemcandy - This certainly isn't specifically about you by any means. These thoughts have been slowly manifesting over time. It's how the server conditions everyone who plays there. We're used to EXPECTING the game to be played a certain way and when it's not, we lash out. Trust me, I've done a TON of raging and complaining about the same things everyone else does (bad AA, not attacking ABC, not rushing D, tanks being far back, etc., etc.). It's normalized and encouraged every day when we see everyone especially clan members and even admins doing it.

TheABCCAMPER - I'm not sure you read what I said correctly because I said nothing about you, your tactics, nor how you are as a squad leader. Unless you changed your name and I don't realize it yet, I don't know you nor have ever seen your name in-game. I said you REMINDED ME of a conversation I had with a DIFFERENT AARP member. One who has been around for years who doesn't take the game too seriously and does what they want, which is driving around and running people over, randomly targeting people in the little bird, etc.
 
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As crazy as it may sounds, the fun is getting over...

Even with the recent topics about lase, parashittin, c4jeep jerks, and the noobs comin,noone try anything different...

Laser/soflam/old snipers, if you can try to snipe 'em, use staff she'll to take em down, instead guided
Parashittin, use sniper 20x scope, may change the view
Don't like being stabb, Claymore is the way, or 4 guys working as squad
Don't like campers, c4 keep is the way, and stabb em
You're losing, change to medic to revive ppl(Hades used to do that, wonder where he is) take tickets away from kills
If you rage goes up, eat pitza
If you having fun, share it
 
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I have absolutly no problem with you going to"A" ABC the only thing worse then losing "D" is looking at the map and seeing you have no flag's and all your armour is at "F"
I like to go to "D" as most of my squad will show up, but im also a fan of a squad going to "C" and locking down the littlebird right away so the other side don't get it.
In a perfect world you could put a squad on every flag and stay there for the whole game...but we have this cap a flag and stampede to the next one while they take the one you just left LoL
Play the way you know and enjoy do not worry about anyone other then your squad...I'll join you on "A" and "B" anytime my friend soon as im done getting killed at "D" (and the only reason we go to "D" is because it is the hardest flag to reaquire once lost)
I believe the jeep remark was a reference to Gomer not you ;)
 
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... In a perfect world you could put a squad on every flag and stay there for the whole game...but we have this cap a flag and stampede to the next one while they take the one you just left LoL...

I think that might make it a bit boring. Part of the fun is running back and forth to control all of the flags lol.
 
I havent read all of this cause you know, short attention span. But I will say:

I like Buddha and Im glad hes popping back into the forums.

As far as winning goes it really doesn't matter to me unless its a blowout. I'd rather lose with a great squad (and Ive had some great ones lately) then win by a blowout with a non communicative squad.

For a while I was almost strictly playing in a tank. However, lately I've been enjoying ABCs play style more and spending time on foot at ABC. Either way I'm always trying to cap no matter what vehicle or shoes Im wearing.
 
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